shape in the fashion world?
Aug. 20th, 2007 10:14 amOverheard in the coffee shop this morning, before I went to work:
"Yeah, according to Tom Ford, that supermodel is one of the most beautiful girls in the world."
"But she looks like a young man with breasts!"
"Um, you know Tom Ford is gay, right? Of course he'd go for that look. Most men in the fashion world are gay. Hence, most runway models have a masculine shape. Look at Gisele Bundchen. She has absolutely no shape. She looks like a stick. She might as well be a boy. And yet she's the number one supermodel in the world. Think about it."
It made me think, mostly about whether or not I completely agreed, especially with the finality of the "of course he'd go for that look" comment (I don't).
When I was in college, many of my dearest male friends were gay. But they loved curvy women, loved them. I have never had my butt so adored than when I was hanging out with my gay guy friends. They thought curvy women were goddesses, even "skinny-curvy" (yes, women can be very thin and curvy). However, if I were to ask them if the same were true in the fashion world, they would say things similar to the above conversation. Not so much stressing the "teenage boy" shape, but about the shape in general. Something about how the clothes needed to "hang" off the body. And that this tends to make women look like teenage boys. I do have to agree that many very thin runway models do tend to have a masculine look.
It's a slippery slope. It's almost offensive: "A majority of gay men in the fashion world want female models to look like boys." It's not necessarily true. But you hear it some in fashion circles. I've been friends with models and fashion designers alike; they are reluctant to say it, but they do say it. Despite the fact that most gay men I know would prefer a woman with curves. One of my college friends, who was a flaming queen, once said, "I love men. I love men's bodies. But women are not men. And I have no illusions. Women are women no matter what the shape. I'm just not gonna pretend that a woman looks like a man when she's so obviously female."
Saying that a gay male fashion designer thinks a female model who looks like a boy is one of the most beautiful models in the world? It just feels so much like blatant stereotyping, and I wish it didn't.
I'm probably offending someone right now. You can't please everyone.
"Yeah, according to Tom Ford, that supermodel is one of the most beautiful girls in the world."
"But she looks like a young man with breasts!"
"Um, you know Tom Ford is gay, right? Of course he'd go for that look. Most men in the fashion world are gay. Hence, most runway models have a masculine shape. Look at Gisele Bundchen. She has absolutely no shape. She looks like a stick. She might as well be a boy. And yet she's the number one supermodel in the world. Think about it."
It made me think, mostly about whether or not I completely agreed, especially with the finality of the "of course he'd go for that look" comment (I don't).
When I was in college, many of my dearest male friends were gay. But they loved curvy women, loved them. I have never had my butt so adored than when I was hanging out with my gay guy friends. They thought curvy women were goddesses, even "skinny-curvy" (yes, women can be very thin and curvy). However, if I were to ask them if the same were true in the fashion world, they would say things similar to the above conversation. Not so much stressing the "teenage boy" shape, but about the shape in general. Something about how the clothes needed to "hang" off the body. And that this tends to make women look like teenage boys. I do have to agree that many very thin runway models do tend to have a masculine look.
It's a slippery slope. It's almost offensive: "A majority of gay men in the fashion world want female models to look like boys." It's not necessarily true. But you hear it some in fashion circles. I've been friends with models and fashion designers alike; they are reluctant to say it, but they do say it. Despite the fact that most gay men I know would prefer a woman with curves. One of my college friends, who was a flaming queen, once said, "I love men. I love men's bodies. But women are not men. And I have no illusions. Women are women no matter what the shape. I'm just not gonna pretend that a woman looks like a man when she's so obviously female."
Saying that a gay male fashion designer thinks a female model who looks like a boy is one of the most beautiful models in the world? It just feels so much like blatant stereotyping, and I wish it didn't.
I'm probably offending someone right now. You can't please everyone.